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Time Limit for Actives - 2005/03/21 18:55
YOu are WAY off Guy...
"TKE is until you graduate..."
I never said that...
if you have been an active brother for 8 semesters or you have graduated before that, then you become an Alumni.
That is what I was asking... you see, when I was an active, we were told that this was against TKE Policy. This is why I started the thread... I NEVER Said TKE until you Graduate... Read the whole thread there fellow.
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Time Limit for Actives - 2005/05/10 06:50
Final statement on this:
1. No one is NOT sayinf "TKE IS FOR LIFE", please hear me on this...
2. While "TKE IS FOR LIFE", why can't we be more flexiable on what stage of life?
3. Most of us in my home chapter felt that limiting time for actives was helpful to both the senior members and junior members... It is a fact of life that Senior TKEs get tired of the parties and tend to focus on school only... 400 level courses require internships, late nights, sometimes teaching your own class... Life Happens... Telling that Senior who will probably not make 80% of the meeting taht he is an evil bastard for focusing on his life instead of ours seems wrong... Take them off yoru books and let them free... I am sure they will return as amazing Alumni, or pi9ss them off anmd tell them TKE is ahead of their Graduation and blamo! NO MO ALUMNUS...
Now obviously this isn't ideal... we would prefer that Fraters remain active till the day of graduation. Obviously... But remeber what comes first? If TKE does come first, then compassion for your fellow Frater should come with it. Let them go in a good way and they will be back...
This is all I am saying my friends
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Re: Non Participation and twisting the Standards - 2005/05/10 08:13
Fraters:
I agree that everyone should read the entire thread before posting on this issue.
I've said it before, and will say it again, there should be strict standards for any kind of local chapter program that allows members to achieve "alumni status" before they graduate (again, we're only talking about folks that are still enrolled at your institution) and any policy that allows members to take alumni status before they graduate must be reviewed and approved by your Alumni Board. See my previous post on this one.
My opinion on "inactive" status is that it, frankly, doesn't exist, except in "very" rare circumstances.
In regard to Frater Stuart's comments, I must concede that he is technically correct, in that the policy of the International Fraternity and the Black Book clearly define undergraduate and alumni status. And while I agree that we must make every attempt to uphold these policies, I believe that we must also act in a manner that is in the best interest of our chapter, and it's continued success.
I also agree that we should continue to focus our attention on providing a good, quality experience for all of our collegiate members -- and that this experience should change as the member changes. If anyone thinks that a senior is going to be interested in the same things as a freshman, well, then you need to get a reality check. It's not surprising that older members lose interest in chapter activities. Most of our chapters don't program for them and as these members move closer to graduation, they become much more focused on graduation -- and getting prepared for life after college. If we aren't changing with them, and helping get them ready, then we are doing them a huge disservice, and we don't have any right to expect their continued involvement or participation.
Every chapter should have an ongoing educational process that recognizes the growth and change process with it's membership. That's called providing "value" -- and it will help make sure that you keep your members for a longer period of time. If you are trying to increase, or even maintain, the size of your chapter and you are only focusing on recruitment, then you've got a problem. Both recruitment AND retention have to be your focus. Most chapters do a pretty crappy job of keeping track of how many members they are losing, and in understanding "why" they are losing them. Most would be shocked if they actually took a look at the problem and started asking questions. You should never lose a member without asking "why?" It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that if you are losing members because they are getting kicked out of school for academic issues, that maybe you need to raise your recruitment academic standards -- or offer a better program that helps members deal with academic issues, etc.
Now, having said that, I should point out that the International Fraternity has, frankly, dropped the ball on the ongoing educational issue. We know, for example, that TKE is "hemorrhaging" members and that, on average, we keep an undergraduate member active, on average, for no more than about 24-30 months, and you think the problem is that we aren't enforcing the Black Book?
This whole issue, frankly, reached crisis stage a long time ago -- and the leadership of TKE has pretty much given lip service to dealing with it.
We need a comprehensive ongoing membership education program. Period.
Only in 2003 did the idea of ongoing education get reintroduced in the "Hegemon's Manual." But even here, we commit 47 pages to new member education, and about 20 to ongoing education.
Frankly, we can't expect our chapters to "get it," when the International Fraternity doesn't.
Until somebody gets a clue, we will continue to adopt and utilize responsible, sensible policies on the local level that serve our best interests, and that create avenues that allow our older members to continue their involvement in TKE.
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Time Limit for Actives - 2005/05/10 12:28
Well said Frater...
I am all for standrads in the Black book... I also agree that inactive status should be a rare situation...
I wish I had this info when I was Prytanis... I would have added a stipulation in the bylaws (With Alumni Help) a long time ago...
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Time Limit for Actives - 2005/06/17 12:27
This is interesting but, Fraters, I am a TKE and will be for life. Also, I ran out of GI Bill prior to graduation. Went to work for three years then returned for my senior year, only to run out of money again before graduation. Now am I an alumni or not? And how about all our Honorary members? My dad is one, and the great depression caused his college career to end after just one semester. If you with to deny me as an alumni, so be it, but Fraters, I will still be serving on the Board of Directors of the Houston Alumni Association when you move to Houston and wish to be active with us, and whether you are graduated or not, whether you went through the Teke for Life or not, whether you are a Life Loyal Teke or not, you will be welcomed into the Houston Area Alumni Association as a Teke, and your dues will be accepted. It is too bad that so many of our Alumni feel rejected after they leave college, we have lost a ton of outstanding Fraters who otherwise would be active with some Alumni Association. If you are truly a Teke, do not reject us because we could not finish our college career, many of us have a great deal to contribute to TKE and to our Nation.
Yours in the Bond,
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